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This is by far in no way the first time I've ranted about the state of RSS aggregators and newsgroup readers. I came across a post that Nick Bradbury wrote last week (and again, earlier this week), the guy behind the popular RSS aggregator FeedDemon (which I've been using for the last year or so... and I'm quite pleased with it), added that mentioned a new feature coming to a future release of FeedDemon. I travel a bit, and I'm frequently disconnected. When in an airport or on a plane, I don't like to do real work like coding and such... rather I like to use that time to either triage my email inbox or my unread RSS subscriptions in FeedDemon. This environment is not very conducive to reading blog posts that have included linked images and such because of two reasons:

  1. Bloggers tend to upload their images to their server and reference them in their posts. Most blog engines treat these image URL's relative references which is fine when you're reading the post while connected via a browser. But when you're reading it in an aggregator (online/offline), it's making a reference to the image somewhere on your local disk because of the relative reference. This is why I post virtually all images that I include in my posts to my Flickr account... so when connected, you'll always see the image no matter the client you're using. But, that doesn't account for the other problem...
  2. When disconnected, you can't see the images (duh). If the post isn't interesting, I'll mark it as read, but if it is interesting, it usually sits there as unread until I have time to read it... something I usually don't do when I'm connected. Arg! Catch-22!

No more... Nick is adding a new capacity in a future version of FeedDemon called "Prefetch Unread Items for Offline Reading" to the File menu. This will parse unread posts and cache images locally referenced within those posts all the while being smart enough to not download links to PDF's or large downloads (ala: Visual Studio 2005 SP1). I'm very much looking forward to running this before I shut my laptop down and packing it up for the trip to the airport.

I just wish FeedDemon had better comment reading & notification support. That's the only gaping hole in terms of functionality to me.

Ranting about Newsgroup readers again...

Sorry, I know I've done this a few times... dunno why I'm doing it again. Why is it that for every one I've tried, just about every newsgroup reader out there just flat out sucks? To me, there are just a few minimal features I'd want in a newsgroup reader:

  1. Like my email & RSS aggregators, keep track of the read & unread items.
  2. Let me flag posts to (1) never be archived/purged and (2) make it easy to read later.
  3. Give me auto archiving/purging capabilities so my newsgroup database doesn't end up being larger than my page file.
  4. When I post to a newsgroup, or reply to a post, notify me when there is activity on that thread. When I was very active in the newsgroups, I couldn't keep track of all the threads I was active in.

And I thought that's all I wanted. So I got Omea Reader which seemed to give me everything I wanted (the only reader I found that gave me #3 in my list... a big feature). Unfortunately Omea is a resource hog. It takes up to a minute to open... and can take even longer to close. I by no means subscribe to a great number of newsgroups, but the fact that my Omea database is over 1GB is pathetically insane (what in the hell are you guys storing??? It's just TEXT!). I haven't picked apart how it works, but there are two things I've noticed that Omea does that is just flat out stupid in my mind:

  1. Once you start Omea, it rebuilds/loads a ton of indexes... uh... why? For search? Fine... can I turn that off? Nope... arg!
  2. Once Omea is running, it immediately starts indexing content (another CPU hog). So my first step after opening Omea is to pause indexing.

It's such a bad experience I don't spend nearly the time I'd like to in newsgroups... primarily because the experience just sucks. I don't need or care about searching the posts I download... heck, that's what Google Groups is so good at.

At this point, I'm willing to fork over a modest sum for a good newsgroup reader that I can cozy up to this winter. Anyone have one they prefer? I've already tried and passed over on Outlook Express and I don't care for RSS Bandit's implementation... I really want the above four features at the bare minimum. Need to give Vista's newsgroup reader a try as I heard it was completely rewritten, but I'm not optimistic (hey, it's a free, included app on an OS... how good can it really be?).

Help me newsgroup gods... you're my only hope.

posted on Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:06 PM

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# re: Musings on the state of RSS aggregators and NNTP readers... 12/17/2006 5:54 PM Spence
Gravatar I wouldn't hope out much hope for Windows Mail - the Vista NNTP client. I can't see how this has been re-written. It does have a few new things - Search, Live ID integration and ratings, but these things aren't really that helpful. Haven't used it anger yet, but from what I can see it's basically the same as Outlook Express.

# re: Musings on the state of RSS aggregators and NNTP readers... 12/19/2006 12:14 AM Wayne Larimore
Gravatar I feel your pain AC. I've tried them all it seems (mostly on recommendation by yourself). I get so frustrated every time that I simply uninstall them after a week or so. I've used Google Groups more than anything - let the behemoth store all that stuff and do what it does best - search.

Take care & have a Merry Christmas!

# re: Musings on the state of RSS aggregators and NNTP readers... 12/19/2006 9:10 AM Colin Walker
Gravatar Re point 1 for RSS readers and the relative links, I bugged this with SharePoint 2007 and it is is currently being "considered for a future update or service pack".
When generating the feed SharePoint does exactly the same thing so I've had to add an additional host header to the site and reference all images by that to force an absolute link.

Wonder if we'll ever see this fixed in SharePoint?

# re: Musings on the state of RSS aggregators and NNTP readers... 12/19/2006 9:30 AM AC [MVP MCMS]
Gravatar Colin - this is bigger than just a SharePoint problem... virtually all engines do this.

# re: Musings on the state of RSS aggregators and NNTP readers... 12/19/2006 6:08 PM Dave Wise
Gravatar MicroPlanet Gravity was the single best NNTP reader that I have ever used. Unfortunately, it has been left to die in that giant software abyss known as Sourceforge and has remained untouched for some time. It's still worth a look though.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpgravity/


# re: Musings on the state of RSS aggregators and NNTP readers... 1/7/2007 12:22 PM becky
Gravatar There are more improvements to windows mail newsreader than some realise.

They have actually fixed the signature problem and now you can place the signature at the bottom of replies. This was one of the main problems with OE as a newsreader.

I cannot say how it fares for binaries as I do not download binaries but it is a vast improvement. I like it alot.

Now if only it had an RSS reader too and it would be complete.

# re: Musings on the state of RSS aggregators and NNTP readers... 10/19/2007 3:02 PM Brian Houser
Gravatar I have been a long time user of Forte Agent and think it meets your needs along with many others and is also quite lightweight. It makes the typical features easy to use while supporting a ton of other advanced features (like rule-based fetching/marking/purging).

http://www.forteinc.com


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